Nerd Alert – I find myself constantly referring to Lord of The Rings in this post. My apologies.
I wanted to do a post about obtaining my Turkish citizenship but as it would no doubt be longer than my collector’s edition of Lord of The Rings (a total of 1,215 pages for those interested) I kept putting it off in lieu of, oh I don’t know, having a colonoscopy or maybe root canal surgery or even spending an evening having my finger nails pulled out by the likes of Sauron, Osama Bin Laden or Donald Trump.
Anyway, so I kept putting it off waiting for hell to freeze over but as we are now in spring and we have already hit the 30’s a few times here in Mersin it is clear that the second coming isn’t going to be knocking on my door any time soon and so … I give you … the story of my citizenship.
Before I go any further let me get the important stuff out of the way before I start banging on with my unnecessarily long diatribe.
You will need:
• Birth certificate
• If you are married to a Turkish national, official documents confirming the identities and family ties of the spouse and all underage children (can be obtained from Nufus ofis)
• Marriage Certificate (in my case)
• Certificate of your ability to speak Turkish (well I think we all know that I did not have that document)
• A medical certificate confirming that you are of good health (obtained at any hastane)
• Four passport sized photographs (bollocks! Get 10 and then get another 10)
• Completed application forms (we obtained from Emniyet but as mentioned now issued by Nufus ofis)
All documents issued overseas must be translated and notarized.
There will also be unannounced polis checks made to your home, polis reports made back in your home country and fingerprinting done. It is very thorough.
My one piece of advice to each of you currently thinking about or obtaining citizenship here in Turkey is perseverance is the key. Be prepared to chase up the documents. Be prepared to make a nuisance of yourself. Be prepared to smile despite the fact that you want to rip off someone’s head and be prepared to be in their face as often as you can to ensure that they won’t forget about your application or put it to the side while they watch YouTube on their computer.
Timing wise Mersin seems to be dragging its heels with other cities churning out an approval at a much, MUCH, faster pace. For me citizenship took nearly 3 years but I understand that some cities can knock over a citizenship application in only 6 months. Lucky bastards!
Alright. Pull up a chair, pour yourself a glass of whatever makes you feel good and … let’s go!
When I first applied for citizenship here in Mersin, nearly 156 weeks ago, I applied at the Emniyet. Since my application the system has been streamlined *cough cough* and now you apply directly to the İl Nüfus ve Vatandaşlık Müdürlüğü (City Population and Citizenship Directorate).
After six months we chased up the application and I have previously written about that incident here. Another couple of months passed and I was called in to the karakol (police station) for what an interview that will forevermore be called as “The Inquisition”. In the meantime I had polis attend at our house twice to ensure that The Turk and I were in fact in a real relationship. All seemed in order.
Right now my application seemed to be coming along nicely however not fast enough and I had to apply for an extension to my Residence Permit (one more year I swear).
Coming into my second year my frustration levels were rising and The Turk was not interested in chasing up the application anymore. I was at the end of my tether when we got the call from the Nufus ofis. An interview date with the Vali (Governor) had been set for six weeks’ time however as I had already arranged a trip during that period we were pushed back for the next possible date … a further 8 weeks down the track. I was happy with that because it gave me time to throw myself into learning the language and so I spent the next 14 weeks having Turkish lessons so I could wow the Vali with my excellent language skills.
Of course on the day I was crapping myself because my language skills sucked and by the time I went to meet the Governator (typo but I’m keeping it) I was so nervous I nearly vomited. It was crystal clear that I was going to fail the Turkish component of the interview (particularly after the earlier mentioned Inquisition) and they wouldn’t sign off on my application. Instead they would hate me on sight and immediately throw me out of the country! Well. Seriously. No issue. Other than a hearty merhaba the panel of professionals that held the interview (there were 3 at my interview plus the Governator) didn’t even look in my direction. The entire conversation was held in Turkish and was entirely held with The Turk. Everyone shook hands and we left. All the paperwork was now to on its way to Ankara for a final decision. (I will say that I understand this is not a normal interview. I will say that everyone that I have spoken to has had extremely different experiences when they have had this final interview. I feel that perhaps the sun was shining down on me that day.)
Woo hoo!!! Any day now peeps!
Time passed and again I needed to renew my Resident’s Permit … again. So frustrating! It was then that I put The Turk on notice. I’m not going through the rigmarole of renewing my RP a fourth time. If I do not have citizenship by the expiration of this current RP I was moving back to Australia.
And that brings us to December last year when I returned from a girlie weekend in Germany and was asked at the airport to provide my kimlik (Identity Card). Ummm? Huh??? WTF???
That Monday we attended at the Nufus ofis with a spring in our step and requested an update. There was much excitement when we walked in and they congratulated The Turk on his perseverance (hello what about congratulating me for putting up with all this shite?) and they handed to us an envelope. I felt like a presenter at the Academy Awards … “and the winner is …” Inside was the Onay Duyu Belgesi (Certificate of Approval). Wow. Thank you. Only 1095 days after my original application peeps!
And this is when it all goes south …
We were told that the polis would attend at our home again in the next few days and once that was done the kimlik will be issued. Hold on a minute! I was told at the airport that the kimlik had already issued and this document that I am holding in my hot little hands is a Certificate of Approval. Are we in the Twilight Zone? No, you are Turkish now but we just need to follow procedure. Of course. We waited four weeks but the polis did not appear. The Turk started returning to the Nufus each week to try and move the matter forward but to no avail.
In the meantime an expat friend here in Mersin who had lodged her citizenship application approximately the same time as me (did I mention it was nearly 3 years ago) also received her Onay Duyu Belgesi in her precious envelope and within a week she had received her kimlik! What the holy hell?
Another couple of weeks went by. Anything? Nope. Nothing.
So we went back. And this is what happened:
Go to the Nufus. Sorry. Polis check needed.
Nope. On the advice of my kimlik holding expat friend I confirmed online that the law has now changed and a further Polis check is not necessary.
Back to the Nufus. Dude the law has changed. Check it! No, he tells us. It has now changed again. Seriously? In the space of 3 days? Sorry. Wait for Polis check. Dude I’m telling ya check it again!
OK yes you are right. Go to Emniyet.
Went to Emniyet. Sorry. Go to the Nufus.
Back to the Nufus. Waiting on Polis check.
Are you fecking serious? The stupid is so stupid that it actually crushes you until you become as stupid as the stupid!
We began to experience life at the rate of several WTF’s per hour and The Turk just couldn’t take anymore. His sanity was being held together by duct tape and chewing gum. I wasn’t sure if he would go postal or would have a heart attack and drop dead on the spot (which would no doubt delay the issue of the kimlik yet again) but instead he sensibly went to see our local Belediye Başkanı (mayor) here in the Village for a little advice. The mayor rang the patron at the Nufus who confirmed that the kimlik should have already issued. Feck my life!
The next day we again attended at the Nufus where we by-passed all the plebs and went straight to the patron. He took us over to the appropriate desk jockey and instructed him to issue the kimlik immediately. Five minutes later … Sorry. No polis check. Come back after polis check.
Now being a patient, gentle sort of girl I generally don’t worry about the little things but when the imaginary people in my head start shouting, “no fecking no you feckity feck!” I know things aren’t really going the way they ought!
I looked around for a nice strong looking pillar so I could smash my head into it but instead we went back to see the patron, who took us back to see the pencil pusher, who grumbled under his breath like a petulant toddler until … finally … it happened … nearly three years but … I got my KIMLIK!!!!
Yes peeps to quote the fabled Mr Frodo Baggins, “It’s done, it’s finished”. No more do I have to enter the gates of Modor. I had returned the ring to its rightful place and I can now rest easy. I wanted to high five the pleb/desk jockey/pencil pusher/sulky child but thought better of it. I walked out of the Nufus ofis with my head held high and a great big smile on my dial.
I am a Turkish citizen. The short line at the airport is now MY line! Oh and I am no longer a yabancı and woe be it to anyone who dares call me one!
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Congratulations on your kimlik.! It was hard fought and you were very brave 🙂
All this to save me a couple of minutes at the airport …
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Hey…why waste your life in an airport line.! Lol 🙂
When I first read the word Kimlik I thought of Killim, LOL! not the same thing. Congratulations now pay your taxes.
Ouch I really didn’t think that through did I?
When I think that in Canada obtaining your Citizenship takes 6 months and is simply a question of filling out one form, no photos required and providing your permanent resident number which you obtain on the first day you actually land in Canada. People still complain not good enough they say. They should try Turkey.
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I know that citizenship in Australia is no easy feat. There are hoops that must be jumped and a test that is so darn hard that I’ve done it online and failed it thrice! No a three year wait is not the worst thing that could happen 🙂
“save me a couple of minutes at the airport” ?? Which airport are you talking about Jane? It would save you more like half an hour at Antalya or Dalaman in summer.
Oh no Ataturk International. After a 29 hour flight from Sydney when I would see that queue at customs I would curse the day I ever met The Turk! Why didnt I meet a nice boy from, say, Melbourne or something?
Sorry I meant to add CONGRATULATIONS .
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Congratulations! All good thngs come to those who wait, but 3 years? Is this normal???
Most other cities get it done in much less time but I understand that here in Mersin there has been such in influx of refugees from Syria needing permits that the departments here are overwhelmed and less important things are pushed aside. I should have done it back in Sydney. Takes 4 weeks there. The things we learn
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Congratulations! I’ve still got a few years before I apply. I hope they “streamline” the process even more by then!
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Oh well, mustn’t grumble . . .
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You obviously don’t know me too well at all then LMAO!
Oh the tales we can tell… finally done, aferin. Yes, the line will be quicker…. unless heading north into Europe, then the opposite, lol. Do you have dual citizenship now? If so, one thing many don’t know (and you won’t be told) is about exemption from the Turkish citizen exit tax stamp requirement. You obviously can still only exit with your Turkish passport (as that is now your only right of residency), but if you wave a second passport, you save on the tax stamp fee (one miniscule little weeny advantage) 🙂
It was LOL time when I read, “His sanity was being held together by duct tape and chewing gum.”
You have a great sense of humor. 🙂
Congratulations. Did you get a new card type – or the old pink one for a girl, blue for a boy?
Yep. I am a pink card carrying Aus/Turk
Congratulations Janey! 🙂 I heard that soon everyone must swap their IDs for the new ones, with biometric data and a chip (why, oh why would you put a chip and a PIN code on ID card?) I will soon go through updating my yabanci kimlik yet again and reading your post reminded me how terribly bureaucratic it might be. On the bright side, yabanci and ex-yabanci never run out of ridiculous and funny stories to tell about it 😀
Yes there are new cards coming in. Man can you imagine the hassle trying too get a new one? I shudder at the suggestion.
Hi how are you? How long after your citizenship test you had to wait before you got notice your kimlik is approve? I had my interview May 28, in Izmir Turkey. In trying to get a idea when to be expecting news on whether I got approve or not..
Oh man Izmir is wayyyy different to Mersin. Izmir has a rather large contingent of expats. Here in Mersin there is not.
From the meeting with the Governor I think you mean? I had the interview in March 2015 and I finally – FINALLY – got my kimlik in January 2016 but not without a mountain of drama!
Good luck to you. Like I said Izmir is a different sitch. I’m sure it will be a much smoother experience.
Reading what you wrote is me and my situation, so 3 years from application and I am still waiting – congrats on yours. I will fly the flags when it comes.
Good luck to you Maria. I still get the chills when I think about what they put me through. The left hand definitely has no idea what the right hand is doing. Ugh!
Just had the, they say, final visit from the Karakol on 3 January, all paperwork now back in Ankara so hoping to hear soon, we are now moving slowly past the 3 year mark. A friend put in her application last August and it was issued end of December, OMG I wait in anticipation
See nothing is unified. Nothing runs parallel. ugh you will deserve a big ass glass of whatever you like when you finally have it in your hand Maria! Good luck!